Feel that pro-life love!
Two sequential asks from my inbox (put in order): 

Hi, there. I would like to ask some questions about your views as a Pro-choicer. I don’t have a clear position on abortion due to some information that I need to have. 1) What influenced your Pro-choice views? 2) When do you believe human life starts? 3) Is abortion safer than childbirth? Number 3 is a really important question because of cases of rape. If a woman got pregnant from rape, I don’t know if going through the abortion procedure or child birth would be worse. (Browned Eyed Girl)

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To be continued… In cases of rape, I need more information if abortion is a benefit for rape victims. Would it be painful to go through the procedure? A friend of mine told me that his views on abortion in cases of rape was instead of aborting the fetus, it is better to torture and kill the rapist instead (he hates rape). I would be glad to have your reply. (Brown Eyed Girl)

I’ve been neglecting this ask for a long time because it annoys me. I believe I made it clear that I don’t really want to use this blog to debate or discuss or talk about myself, so I don’t know why you’re asking me any of this. I don’t want to talk about it because it doesn’t really matter what I think in this context. What has been really bothering me about this, though, is how badly she misses the point in the second ask. 
Brown Eyed Girl, have you ever read a book called The Handmaid’s Tale? It’s a pretty good book that’s popular in pro-choice circles. Basically it’s about a horribly sexist dystopian society where certain women are used to breed babies like animals. One of the reasons why the women in that society put up with it is because they are taught that they are actually given greater freedom than women were back when the world was egalitarian. In one scene, a group of women are given a man whom they are told is a rapist (he’s actually a political dissident) to basically torture to death. They are told that this is better than the way it used to be. 
That’s a false dichotomy and a seriously messed up way of looking at the world. Would you rather live in a society where you got to torture rapists or a society where you didn’t get raped in the first place?
Your friend seems to be under the impression that abortion after rape is used as some kind of revenge. That doesn’t make any sense! The reason why rape victims don’t want to be forced to have their rapists’ child is because that’s further violation of their body and makes the rape something they have to be reminded of every single day. Killing the rapist does not stop that from happening. 
Rape victims don’t want abortion because of revenge. They want them because they want their lives back. Anyone can understand that. Your “friend” who “really hates rape” seems like he has a fundamental lack of ability to empathize with rape victims if he can’t get that.
And he’s really not too bright if he doesn’t understand that childbirth is painful. You asked me if abortion is painful and deadly as if you forgot that childbirth is inherently painful and deadly. (And yes, it is more likely to kill you. The pain comparison is a matter of personal opinion.)
Your friend’s attitude is just… creepy in its condescension. 

Two sequential asks from my inbox (put in order): 

Hi, there. I would like to ask some questions about your views as a Pro-choicer. I don’t have a clear position on abortion due to some information that I need to have. 1) What influenced your Pro-choice views? 2) When do you believe human life starts? 3) Is abortion safer than childbirth? Number 3 is a really important question because of cases of rape. If a woman got pregnant from rape, I don’t know if going through the abortion procedure or child birth would be worse. (Browned Eyed Girl)

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To be continued… In cases of rape, I need more information if abortion is a benefit for rape victims. Would it be painful to go through the procedure? A friend of mine told me that his views on abortion in cases of rape was instead of aborting the fetus, it is better to torture and kill the rapist instead (he hates rape). I would be glad to have your reply. (Brown Eyed Girl)

I’ve been neglecting this ask for a long time because it annoys me. I believe I made it clear that I don’t really want to use this blog to debate or discuss or talk about myself, so I don’t know why you’re asking me any of this. I don’t want to talk about it because it doesn’t really matter what I think in this context. What has been really bothering me about this, though, is how badly she misses the point in the second ask. 

Brown Eyed Girl, have you ever read a book called The Handmaid’s Tale? It’s a pretty good book that’s popular in pro-choice circles. Basically it’s about a horribly sexist dystopian society where certain women are used to breed babies like animals. One of the reasons why the women in that society put up with it is because they are taught that they are actually given greater freedom than women were back when the world was egalitarian. In one scene, a group of women are given a man whom they are told is a rapist (he’s actually a political dissident) to basically torture to death. They are told that this is better than the way it used to be. 

That’s a false dichotomy and a seriously messed up way of looking at the world. Would you rather live in a society where you got to torture rapists or a society where you didn’t get raped in the first place?

Your friend seems to be under the impression that abortion after rape is used as some kind of revenge. That doesn’t make any sense! The reason why rape victims don’t want to be forced to have their rapists’ child is because that’s further violation of their body and makes the rape something they have to be reminded of every single day. Killing the rapist does not stop that from happening. 

Rape victims don’t want abortion because of revenge. They want them because they want their lives back. Anyone can understand that. Your “friend” who “really hates rape” seems like he has a fundamental lack of ability to empathize with rape victims if he can’t get that.

And he’s really not too bright if he doesn’t understand that childbirth is painful. You asked me if abortion is painful and deadly as if you forgot that childbirth is inherently painful and deadly. (And yes, it is more likely to kill you. The pain comparison is a matter of personal opinion.)

Your friend’s attitude is just… creepy in its condescension. 

Antichoice submission

antichoicescreencraps:

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anti-choicer wishing for physical pain on women who choose to have an abortion.

I’m sure that Greg had only the best intentions when he tried to advise someone to stop taking birth control.



Anti gets irate when I call him out.


(Editor’s Note: I see this guy in #prochoice all the time. Gotta love the random sex-shaming.)

Anti gets irate when I call him out.

(Editor’s Note: I see this guy in #prochoice all the time. Gotta love the random sex-shaming.)

For the record, I’m not a “militant vegan”; I chose the diet for reasons and this is not me trying to be pushy about it. 
Now, pro-life advocates argue that life is sacred, but on average, pro-lifers do not commit to the vegan lifestyle. If life is life at conception, doesn’t that work for all life? Animals have lives too. I’m not going to argue with you about how we are omnivores and therefore it’s okay to eat meat. I just don’t understand the logic behind being okay with eating meat, but being against abortion. 
Bottom line, If you’re picky and choosy about what on this earth deserves right to life, you are a hypocrite. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion with a false title. (x)
— pro-choice vegan
[Editor’s Note: Thank you for submitting.]

For the record, I’m not a “militant vegan”; I chose the diet for reasons and this is not me trying to be pushy about it. 

Now, pro-life advocates argue that life is sacred, but on average, pro-lifers do not commit to the vegan lifestyle. If life is life at conception, doesn’t that work for all life? Animals have lives too. I’m not going to argue with you about how we are omnivores and therefore it’s okay to eat meat. I just don’t understand the logic behind being okay with eating meat, but being against abortion. 

Bottom line, If you’re picky and choosy about what on this earth deserves right to life, you are a hypocrite. You are not pro-life, you are anti-abortion with a false title. (x)

— pro-choice vegan

[Editor’s Note: Thank you for submitting.]

mitsurukiricringle submitted:

Ah ha! Lies, all around. The top part is from Abolish Human Abortion’s FAQ, and details the ultimate plan for “abolition”, wherein any “aborticians” caught would be given a “not-particularly-painless execution”, though the writer agrees not others would be in favor of this and instead offers “aborticians who continue to practice after the abolition of abortion should be severely punished.”
At the bottom is an ask from Abolish Human Abortion’s Tumblr, where the answerer of the ask claims that they are “consistent in their opposition to killing human beings”.
Someone get me a Phoenix Wright gif.

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mitsurukiricringle submitted:

Ah ha! Lies, all around. The top part is from Abolish Human Abortion’s FAQ, and details the ultimate plan for “abolition”, wherein any “aborticians” caught would be given a “not-particularly-painless execution”, though the writer agrees not others would be in favor of this and instead offers “aborticians who continue to practice after the abolition of abortion should be severely punished.”

At the bottom is an ask from Abolish Human Abortion’s Tumblr, where the answerer of the ask claims that they are “consistent in their opposition to killing human beings”.

Someone get me a Phoenix Wright gif.

Oops! Thank you very much for submitting this.

antichoicescreencraps:

An anti-choice graphic.
Blogger’s commentary: Ironic…Didn’t AHA and every other anti-choice organization take advantage of the death of Tonya Reeves?

This is a flat-out lie. She didn’t die because of medical malpractice. She died because the law forbade physicians from giving her an abortion. A law that groups like Abolish Human Abortion are explicitly supporting.
They swear again and again that things like this wouldn’t happen and that they support exceptions for a woman’s life and health. That is… once a woman actually dies from not having abortion access. Until then they insist that abortions are never medically necessary or that it’s not okay to sacrifice one life to say another.
They support laws like this and then lie about the aftermath all the time.

antichoicescreencraps:

An anti-choice graphic.

Blogger’s commentary: Ironic…Didn’t AHA and every other anti-choice organization take advantage of the death of Tonya Reeves?

This is a flat-out lie. She didn’t die because of medical malpractice. She died because the law forbade physicians from giving her an abortion. A law that groups like Abolish Human Abortion are explicitly supporting.

They swear again and again that things like this wouldn’t happen and that they support exceptions for a woman’s life and health. That is… once a woman actually dies from not having abortion access. Until then they insist that abortions are never medically necessary or that it’s not okay to sacrifice one life to say another.

They support laws like this and then lie about the aftermath all the time.

Fun Fact

The teen birth rate in the US is 34.3 girls per 1,000
The teen birth rate in Mississippi, an abstinence-only state, is 55 girls per 1,000.
When teen girls are educated about and provided with free birth control the birth rate drops to 6.3 per 1,000.

Questions? Comments?  

polkadot-21 submitted

I posted this on my own blog but I feel like it also belongs here.   According to this “pro-lifer” women dying from abortions is totally cool as long as some babies get saved.. yeah I’m not sure she really understands how abortion works…

Oh, wow. Thank you for sharing!

polkadot-21 submitted

I posted this on my own blog but I feel like it also belongs here.   According to this “pro-lifer” women dying from abortions is totally cool as long as some babies get saved.. yeah I’m not sure she really understands how abortion works…

Oh, wow. Thank you for sharing!

Dialogue: Masturbation, Suffering, and the Fall of Man

stfuhypocrisy:

thepapists:

Thievishmonkey:

What’s wrong with objectification? What’s wrong with taking something and using it for what it was never intended for? All you’ve done is list reasons people might find masturbation to be offensive, but how does that make it “intrinsically wrong”?


Nikosnature:

Objectification is wrong because it is using the human person as a means to an end rather than regarding human beings as an end in themselves.  It therefore does not regard them with dignity, and since all human beings have dignity, objectifying them is not seeing things as they are.
Hold up. Do you not think that your view on people who are pregnant or could become pregnant, is reproductive objectification? Oh wait, of course not, cuz that would require you to stop fetishizing a fetus and actually acknowledge the existence, personhood, humanity and dignity of the person who is pregnant.
You’re apparently so pro-life but you’re really just pro-fetus. Cuz the second a fetus is born and is granted personhood, it’s like they turn into something you don’t give a shit about anymore. To you, a fetus has personhood, but an actual person is worthless.

This is golden.

My short little pissed off pro choice rant

xddomx submitted:

Ugh. I get so disgusted when anti-choice, pro birth people try and use color people as an argument to try and support their bullshit. Wanna know why? Because, the only time they pay attention to us color people (black, brown, red, yellow, what ever color you are…) is when they think somehow we are “dragging” America down. Black people? Welfare queens. Mexican people? Stealing jobs. you get my drift.

 And then, THEN, After saying this shit, they decide to use our unique struggles as leeway for their bullshit. Those struggles, those tears, sweat and blood, do NOT belong to you. If they did, you would not use them in such a way. Do not disgrace our ancestors, you hateful close minded shit heads. Yeh. I’m angry. As a Mexican, Cuban, and as a Native American, I’m fucking PISSED OFF. My ancestors did not fight to get where they are today for you to hijack the meaning and the emphasis of their causes. You don’t get to do that. It’s disrespectful, and it’s ignorant.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts here!
antichoicescreencraps:

An anti-choice graphic.

I really hope you’ve never used a contraceptive method, StandTrueForLife.
And spare me the Natural Family Planning lecture. You’re still trying to have sex without getting pregnant and that’s still thwarting God’s will. (Assuming an omnipotent being’s will can be stopped by a piece of latex…)

antichoicescreencraps:

An anti-choice graphic.

I really hope you’ve never used a contraceptive method, StandTrueForLife.

And spare me the Natural Family Planning lecture. You’re still trying to have sex without getting pregnant and that’s still thwarting God’s will. (Assuming an omnipotent being’s will can be stopped by a piece of latex…)

you-should-have-choices:

Except slavery and abortion are not comparable. 

The best rebuttal to this can be summed up in two words.
Forced. Labor.
You are advocating forcing people to endure pregnancy and childbirth against their will. You are taking away their right to control what happens to their own body. You don’t intend to compensate them for using their body without their consent. Hey, most of you don’t even intend to help them through pregnancy, childbirth or parenting!
Do you really want to be making this analogy, lifers? Really?

you-should-have-choices:

Except slavery and abortion are not comparable. 

The best rebuttal to this can be summed up in two words.

Forced. Labor.

You are advocating forcing people to endure pregnancy and childbirth against their will. You are taking away their right to control what happens to their own body. You don’t intend to compensate them for using their body without their consent. Hey, most of you don’t even intend to help them through pregnancy, childbirth or parenting!

Do you really want to be making this analogy, lifers? Really?

theoppressedlittlefetus:

stfuconservatives:

girlwithalessonplan:

amberlysays:

girlwithalessonplan:

wiinga:

stfuconservatives:

(snipped)

Sorry. This pro-lifer is too busy caring about the murder of babies to spend time getting you free money for not working. Its funny how the same people who grouse about men making more or getting promoted sooner have no issues with giving a woman a very long, extended paid vacation after birth but you don’t hear them campaigning for the fathers to have those same benefits. 

Actually, yes they do. This isn’t a new issue. 

Under FMLA, men can take time off for paternity leave, but they get screwed just as much as anyone else in terms of pay, job stability, and the general availability of FMLA rights.

FMLA availability restrictions are a HUGE deal not just for pregnant women and fathers, but also for spouses will ill partners, children with ailing parents, parents with ailing children.

FMLA act like a safety net, but it’s really not if the business you work for doesn’t qualify.

It’s pro-“life” trolls like you who anger me.  You have a skewed vision of the gestation process (no one is murdering babies), and you don’t seem to care for the life of the ACTUAL BABY or the mother or the father after said baby has arrived.  How can you be pro-life when you’re not for a supportive system in place for that life to grow in the best possible environment?

And don’t tell me “well, those people shouldn’t have kids,” because then you’re saying even the God-fearing-married-hetero-fertile-couples shouldn’t have kids.  No matter what a person’s station in life, even intentional child-bearing a massive financial burden, plummeting people in a massive amounts of debt, contributing to the overall slumped economy.

^BOOM roasted.

So, this happened.

Seriously though, how you gonna sit there and fight for the sanctity of life and babies being born and not even see how maternity leave is connected/important?

Nikosnature replied to my ask, but did not apparently find it worthy of addressing publicly. He hasn’t addressed my citations either.
Instead, he’s opted to rely on the No True Scotsman fallacy. These prominent pro-life politicians meet every single criteria for the definition of pro-life. Nikos rejects them not because they don’t meet those criteria, but because they make him look bad.

Nikosnature replied to my ask, but did not apparently find it worthy of addressing publicly. He hasn’t addressed my citations either.

Instead, he’s opted to rely on the No True Scotsman fallacy. These prominent pro-life politicians meet every single criteria for the definition of pro-life. Nikos rejects them not because they don’t meet those criteria, but because they make him look bad.

How you know the Pro-choice movement is limping towards its death.

nikosnature:

Have you seen the big deal pro-choicers have made about Todd Akin’s statements?  In fact, its the only thing they’ve been talking about recently, as if pro-lifers actually stand behind his statements.

They’re setting a smokescreen by taking down a strawman argument.  They want to show they can show Todd Akin is wrong, so they must be right, when really, they’re only making a big deal about Todd Akin to score emotional points, because they know they’ve lost the battle with the mainstream pro-life movement.

It’s not a question of whether abortion will be abolished, but when.  I’m betting 10-20 years, though I’ve always been a pessimist.  Either way, we still have to push forward until the battle is won, but let none of you doubt that victory will be ours.

Really, Nikos? Do you really want to claim that pro-lifers oppose what he said?

http://prolifehypocrisy.tumblr.com/post/29786055919/todd-akins-odious-rape-comments-are-nothing-new

http://prolifehypocrisy.tumblr.com/post/29826193912/the-atlantic-a-canard-that-will-not-die-legitimate

http://prolifehypocrisy.tumblr.com/post/28618173182/sanityscraps-sword-meets-rose

http://prolifehypocrisy.tumblr.com/post/3716991000/feminists-for-life-on-rape-exceptions

http://prolifehypocrisy.tumblr.com/post/14880895079/bebinn-craftychristianmamma-dont-punish-the